Posts by Muddy Waters

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This newly leaked letter PROVES the WTS are hypocrates and do not speak the truth.

by Dunedain in

after reading this newly leaked letter, something profoundly "hit" me.

myself, being born a "witness", and most of us here, who have learned their teachings for years, know of the "importance" the gb/wts always placed on the watchtower and awake magazines, themselves.. from the magazines inception, from back in probably the 1920's, or somewhere that far back, the wts claimed that the preaching work, and specifically the distribution of these magazines, were a sign of the times, and a fulfilment of bible prophecy in these last days.

they would compare the watchtower magazine to a "stinging scorpion", claiming those magazines fulfilled that verse in revelation.

Muddy Waters

Bravo, Dunedain!!

EXCELLENT POST and I'm wondering if reasoning like this might help wake up some dubbies!

Also on that note of logic and reason, the WT has also said how JWs are like locusts traversing the earth, going everywhere with their message, going through the back yards and up into apartment buildings, etc., to spread the good news! How will this apply if they do away with the preaching work or do cart-only witnessing? (Though this has not been confirmed and is a future speculation about the future of door-to-door work) but if that event does happen, is another point to use or bring up for the dubs to explain.

Anyway, I can't like or love your post enough, lol. Wonderful reasoning and logic! It is good to turn their words against them and expose their duplicity and to show how they're making it all up as they go along.

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Signature Quote - what do you think?

by Muddy Waters in

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friends

i apologize for the self-serving nature of this post.. i first said this to a lovely person here to encourage her and add a bit of humour to a harsh situation, but i've fallen in love with my own words, ha, and would like to use a variation of what i said to her as my new signature quote.

it's a bit long, and could become tiresome eventually, but do you forum members think that you might like (or could tolerate, heh) seeing this on my posts?.

.... "may god, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you.

Muddy Waters

Cangie, too funny! Thank you.

And big haha! back atchoo, Oubliette, the master of "Let's review - it's a cult!!!" - your quote is much shorter and catchy. And I always love it, lol.

Steve, you are quite correct - the last part of my quote isn't quite original, there are many variations of that positive thought. And I love all of them. :)

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Signature Quote - what do you think?

by Muddy Waters in

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friends

i apologize for the self-serving nature of this post.. i first said this to a lovely person here to encourage her and add a bit of humour to a harsh situation, but i've fallen in love with my own words, ha, and would like to use a variation of what i said to her as my new signature quote.

it's a bit long, and could become tiresome eventually, but do you forum members think that you might like (or could tolerate, heh) seeing this on my posts?.

.... "may god, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you.

Muddy Waters

Haha, thank you everybody for your responses. Perhaps I'll use it like salt & sprinkle it around every now and again.

"Let every utterance be sasoned with salt..." Gawd, there's no getting away from the Borg, is there? it's like a little piece of hardware is still left inside your system somewhere..... ready to sprout up and pop through your skin....

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Where you are in your life now.....What would you have preferred .... To be left in ignorance ? ...Or to know the truth about the truth

by smiddy in

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i think possibly their are a few valid reasons for either options to this question ,depending on a number of factors .. such as how old you might be, how long you have devoted your life to the "truth" as you believed it .

?....how it may affect your mental/physical health and well being.?.

how it will affect your financial position in your life ,?

Muddy Waters

I got sucked into this religion when I was around 20, at a terrible time in my life and the JWs seemed so wonderful, and I wanted my life to be sparkly and clean and wonderful like theirs, I could not see that it was an illusion (or delusion).

After almost 30 years in, I am glad to be out of it, though I am glad for the good things it gave me, and yes, there were good things and people, the most wonderful being my husband, who is also out - and so I feel blessed.

It feels like the whole world has opened up, and I am discovering anew that it can be a delightful, lovely place without the gloom and doom cloud of Armageddon and Jehovah's terrible day of anger looming constantly over our heads.

It was hurtful, to learn TTAT - the truth about the truth - I felt so betrayed and used, I felt taken as a fool. I read Crisis of Conscience with tears pouring down my face.

I would never want to become a Borg drone again, despite the difficulties of reintegration back into humanity and society. (An aside -- Can really identify with Seven of Nine, lol!! When we watched Star Trek Voyager, her stories would often make me cry. I hope I'm not the only one who cries watching Star Trek, lol!)

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and now, trying out my new signature quote, lol...

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"May God, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you. And may you have peace and a good day. And if you are not having a good day, may you find at least a moment of something good in your day."

- Muddy

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Signature Quote - what do you think?

by Muddy Waters in

jw
friends

i apologize for the self-serving nature of this post.. i first said this to a lovely person here to encourage her and add a bit of humour to a harsh situation, but i've fallen in love with my own words, ha, and would like to use a variation of what i said to her as my new signature quote.

it's a bit long, and could become tiresome eventually, but do you forum members think that you might like (or could tolerate, heh) seeing this on my posts?.

.... "may god, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you.

Muddy Waters

I apologize for the self-serving nature of this post.

I first said this to a lovely person here to encourage her and add a bit of humour to a harsh situation, but I've fallen in love with my own words, ha, and would like to use a variation of what I said to her as my new signature quote.

It's a bit long, and could become tiresome eventually, but do you forum members think that you might like (or could tolerate, heh) seeing this on my posts?

here it is:

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"May God, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you. And may you have peace and a good day. And if you are not having a good day, may you find at least a moment of something good in your day."

- Muddy

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Why did you choose Jehovahs Witnesses?

by vinman in

i'm wondering why ones on this forum initially became jw's.

if you were born in, why did you make it "your own"?

if you became one later, what was your draw and driving force?

Muddy Waters

My experience was a bit like yours, Kate Wild. I was 20, but in a totally bad place in my life, everything was going to hell, and a young beautiful pioneer sister began calling on me.

I wanted to be like her. She was so put together, so happy (she really was! She was one of those super-pioneers whose whole life was the truth), and her life was all sparkly and wonderful... There finally seemed to be a beautiful purpose to life... a wonderful loving God to serve (I became totally indoctrinated very quickly!), a whole association of brothers and sisters worldwide... and a paradise earth!

I bought it, hook, line, and sinker, and wouldn't escape for close to 30 years as I slowly began to wake up again.

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"May God, or the universe, or airborne spaghetti, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation by aliens -- bless you. And may you have peace and a good day. And if you are not having a good day, may you find at least a moment of something good in your day."

- Muddy

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The bridge burning has begun.

by sparrowdown in

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friends

i was feeling particularly hopeless about the whole jws being assholes thing and sick to death of pretending so ....

i rang my sister and told her that i no longer believe jws have the truth and the phone went silent, when i asked her to say something she just said if that was the case then she would have to hang up on me and then proceeded to indeed hang up..

so i texted her back immediately with fu..

Muddy Waters

Love the replies and support you've gotten here, Sparrow :)

and I've fallen in love with my own blessing to you, so much so that I may use it as a signature quote, lol! But you will always know that I said it to you first...

Stay true to yourself, be happy... and use sunscreen (haha, as per the song.... )

--- "May God, or the universe, or energies or wavelengths or frequencies, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or telepathic manipulation of aliens -- bless you." - Muddy

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The bridge burning has begun.

by sparrowdown in

jw
friends

i was feeling particularly hopeless about the whole jws being assholes thing and sick to death of pretending so ....

i rang my sister and told her that i no longer believe jws have the truth and the phone went silent, when i asked her to say something she just said if that was the case then she would have to hang up on me and then proceeded to indeed hang up..

so i texted her back immediately with fu..

Muddy Waters

Sparrow down, do you have people on the outside, besides us here, who you can talk with or get support from?

I hope you have good friends or any extended family on the outside..?

I admire your taking a stand and wanting to be done with hiding who you are! I know how hard that is, and you always hope for the best. May God, or the universe, or whatever energies exist, or quantum particles that somehow attract things to us, or frequencies, or telepathic manipulation of aliens (threw that last one in there for the heck of it, lol, and to see if you were paying attention! :) ) -- bless you.

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Day Text - Sept. 19, 2015 - Obey even if not appear practical, sound, or strategic from a human standpoint - Reminder from WT 2013 Nov.15

by Muddy Waters in

day text -- saturday, september 19 - "he will certainly bring about deliverance from the assyrian."mic.

today, jehovah certainly has provided an abundance of spiritual men to shepherd his precious sheep, to strengthen his people for the future attack of the modern-day assyrian.

the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

Muddy Waters

And then what's up with all this Assyrian stuff anyway? Did they not just say that they have done away with types and anti types, unless the scriptures clearly say there is a connection? Buncha yahoos. But follow us anyway and do exactly what we say, even though we change everything and our understanding of everything ....

Another scripture comes to mind, from Psalms 146: 3,4 -- "Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, in whom there is no salvation..."

Yahoos. Idiots.

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Day Text - Sept. 19, 2015 - Obey even if not appear practical, sound, or strategic from a human standpoint - Reminder from WT 2013 Nov.15

by Muddy Waters in

day text -- saturday, september 19 - "he will certainly bring about deliverance from the assyrian."mic.

today, jehovah certainly has provided an abundance of spiritual men to shepherd his precious sheep, to strengthen his people for the future attack of the modern-day assyrian.

the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

Muddy Waters

DAY TEXT -- Saturday, September 19 - "He will certainly bring about deliverance from the Assyrian."—Mic. 5:6.

Today, Jehovah certainly has provided an abundance of spiritual men to shepherd his precious sheep, to strengthen his people for the future attack of the modern-day “Assyrian.” The most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of “the Assyrian” is that of strengthening our faith in God and helping our brothers to do the same. When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. w13 11/15 3:16, 17 Examining the Scriptures—2015